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11-12-2011 | 11:54 PM
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From: EASTON MA.
Artie, Gerry told me he was the only added weight up front for
your test ride. He can't weigh any more than 180lbs! I think
Ernie is right, you'll have to add more weight up front than using
Gerry. When doing these tests, think CHEAP! Add the sand bags.
Start out with 250lbs and keep going in 50 lb increases at a time.
Something has to change by bringing your CG forward. Hate to
say it but you will probably need a gas tank change eventually.
It's just in front of the motor and too high causing you to be too
top heavy. Just my 2cents worth. George
your test ride. He can't weigh any more than 180lbs! I think
Ernie is right, you'll have to add more weight up front than using
Gerry. When doing these tests, think CHEAP! Add the sand bags.
Start out with 250lbs and keep going in 50 lb increases at a time.
Something has to change by bringing your CG forward. Hate to
say it but you will probably need a gas tank change eventually.
It's just in front of the motor and too high causing you to be too
top heavy. Just my 2cents worth. George
11-12-2011 | 11:58 PM
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From: EASTON MA.
.I got the sand tubes for pick up trucks and car trunks. they won't leak and I can put them in my kids car. sell rest to my old man for double.
11-13-2011 | 12:05 AM
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been running low last two times out. 1st day back in oct was full ,this is the 5th run have about 1/4 tank. hey jo talked to Doug at saber but forgot to ask about the #5, a prop might help a little wish biggie would come down with non bow prop. I'll find one in the swap this winter.
We'll just say mikes dyslexic meaning to say 6.4
11-13-2011 | 12:17 AM
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Theres about 20 gallons in there last two tests.
The shortie with spacer is now back on.
We will make another attempt Sunday with the sand bags.
Random thoughts...
DRIVE:
How much more does the Konrad Ace got over a bravo?
It is also 8 inches back off the transom.
BW transmission in the ext.box
ENGINE:
10-71 Blower
intercooler
Biggest coolers money can buy.
Anyone wanna take a stab how much more weight over the original setup?
The shortie with spacer is now back on.
We will make another attempt Sunday with the sand bags.
Random thoughts...
DRIVE:
How much more does the Konrad Ace got over a bravo?
It is also 8 inches back off the transom.
BW transmission in the ext.box
ENGINE:
10-71 Blower
intercooler
Biggest coolers money can buy.
Anyone wanna take a stab how much more weight over the original setup?
, I'll say 300lbs up by the bed.or 480lbs by the door. boxer has his tank under the back seat, so its lower and a foot infront of mine. cause its a single. the saber singles with tanks in the floor have less bow lift = deep drive for leverage.I kept mine where it is since the drive was high. coolers are big haha
11-13-2011 | 12:25 AM
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Have you guys talked to Kirk from Elite Marine? He had a 28 Panera with a Konrad and huge power and I don't think he ever got his running right. No idea what his issue was, but maybe he can shed a little light on his struggles and maybe some things for you guys to check.
On another note, I'm pretty sure Art's boat is the lightest 28 that Saber built.
On another note, I'm pretty sure Art's boat is the lightest 28 that Saber built.
11-13-2011 | 12:45 AM
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NOW I know why Gerry wants me to come for the test! I weigh
275lbs.! Never thought I could be the deciding factor in this
experiment. I've been called alot of things in my life...but a "sand
bag". I guess a man has to do what a man has to do when he's
called upon. That's what friends are for.
275lbs.! Never thought I could be the deciding factor in this
experiment. I've been called alot of things in my life...but a "sand
bag". I guess a man has to do what a man has to do when he's
called upon. That's what friends are for.
11-13-2011 | 02:36 AM
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I would be glad to climb in mine tomorrow (sunday) and take a rough measurement of my factory tank locations.. They are either 53 or 56 gal a piece.. Not real sure what most of you guys have for tanks, but I don't think mine are much if any larger that what most of the 28's have in them.. I know my rear bulkhead is a bit forward only due to the shorter cockpit & slightly enlarged engine compartment.. So I would be glad to measure off the transom, I know I have atleast 1 access plug to the front of the tanks near the entry of the cabin..
I have no idea where the center of gravity was on my boat before I got it and when it was rigged & running like it did, but I have no doubt it was a runner & had to be azz heavy at the same time... Regardless they are totally different animals as are most all hotrods
Not trying to give out advise ect.. but as I said I would be glad to measure out the location of my tanks which should give an idea of the center of gravity in relation to some of the other boats, twins, singles, bravo v/s tranny boat ect.. I just know somebody mentioned whether or not you guys found out the center of gravity on the #5 boat..
Wish you guys the best & have a safe run tomorrow !!
time for bed, I've sniffed allot of paint lately
I have no idea where the center of gravity was on my boat before I got it and when it was rigged & running like it did, but I have no doubt it was a runner & had to be azz heavy at the same time... Regardless they are totally different animals as are most all hotrods
Not trying to give out advise ect.. but as I said I would be glad to measure out the location of my tanks which should give an idea of the center of gravity in relation to some of the other boats, twins, singles, bravo v/s tranny boat ect.. I just know somebody mentioned whether or not you guys found out the center of gravity on the #5 boat..
Wish you guys the best & have a safe run tomorrow !!
time for bed, I've sniffed allot of paint lately
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11-13-2011 | 08:56 AM
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jeb these hulls are in high demand mine with a b1 set would do fine for mid hp. I have had 4 people pm me over the last 2 years about taking over this, but with no power or drive like I bought it. but now has a new tank in it.
jeb I thought that last week after the drive heights made no different. said that to the boys on the dock about moving motor/tank. next sand bags to see if tank needs to be moved. these boats were built with the tanks behind the seat for balance and run good with b1 drives singles. twin boats run wider strakes and chine and gas tank between seats floor.bottom of boat has rocker about 8'' back I still think a stearn lifting prop might level the boat out.worst case next year I have to install new gas tank in floor grand, then cut out old new tank repair bulkhead move 4'' other wise my headers will need work another grand.bottom not worried about now. if its straight after the 6 or 8'' to the front. then just grind lay some glass build up sand paint easy. if its more space then yes about 3 grand for a pro to go over it. I hope its a prop and new tank in the floor only. Iwas real close in doing that too. so I would of picked up more room for the blower. theres props without defuser rings longer hubs and these all play with the ride boat gets on plane real easy. I''ll post after tomorrow.
jeb I thought that last week after the drive heights made no different. said that to the boys on the dock about moving motor/tank. next sand bags to see if tank needs to be moved. these boats were built with the tanks behind the seat for balance and run good with b1 drives singles. twin boats run wider strakes and chine and gas tank between seats floor.bottom of boat has rocker about 8'' back I still think a stearn lifting prop might level the boat out.worst case next year I have to install new gas tank in floor grand, then cut out old new tank repair bulkhead move 4'' other wise my headers will need work another grand.bottom not worried about now. if its straight after the 6 or 8'' to the front. then just grind lay some glass build up sand paint easy. if its more space then yes about 3 grand for a pro to go over it. I hope its a prop and new tank in the floor only. Iwas real close in doing that too. so I would of picked up more room for the blower. theres props without defuser rings longer hubs and these all play with the ride boat gets on plane real easy. I''ll post after tomorrow.
