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tomtbone1993 09-07-2007 04:44 PM

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Originally Posted by wstultz (Post 2263008)
Alright fellas....just heard from David Doan about a Marine Max test from the Shell on lake Conroe. They did a random test of the water front gasoline because some of their boats were having problems. The fuel tested 30% ethanol!!!!!!!!

This will screw up any engine in any boat especially high performance. Long story short......stop filling up at the Shell.

The pumps state 10% ethanol......in the words of the threads title....Bull $hit!

That is Fu(ked up......I just put in 180 gallons last Sunday:throw: That explains my Ticfaw Theory and Why my engines would not idle worth a chit :waffen093: What recourse does Marine Max plan on doing????

tomtbone1993 09-07-2007 04:45 PM

This could also be the same reason JoeW's Genertor won't run for Chit

tomtbone1993 09-07-2007 04:49 PM

How do I get the Ethanol level down in my tanks???

spk1 09-07-2007 04:50 PM


Originally Posted by tomtbone1993 (Post 2263024)
How do I get the Ethanol level down in my tanks???

Heet.
nuff said
:cool:

tomtbone1993 09-07-2007 04:52 PM


Originally Posted by spk1 (Post 2263026)
Heet.
nuff said
:cool:

really??? the will do the job????

BY U BOY 09-07-2007 04:56 PM


Originally Posted by spk1 (Post 2263026)
Heet.
nuff said
:cool:

what is heet.

spk1 09-07-2007 04:59 PM

http://www.ethanolproducer.com/artic...article_id=461

(read the first paragraph.) I know its not cold, but it seems to work for more than one problem.

use the yellow bottle not the red.

Thats what I put in ur tanks right after ticfaw. 12 bottles,, had any problems since?

BY U BOY 09-07-2007 05:00 PM

just talked to a mechanic that works for us he said heet will make it worse. He said the best thing is to pump it out or add some marvel mystery oil to keep from washing the cylinder walls.

tomtbone1993 09-07-2007 05:02 PM


Originally Posted by spk1 (Post 2263035)
http://www.ethanolproducer.com/artic...article_id=461

(read the first paragraph.) I know its not cold, but it seems to work for more than one problem.

use the yellow bottle not the red.

Thats what I put in ur tanks right after ticfaw. 12 bottles,, had any problems since?

just at idol.....it got pretty bad on Sunday

tomtbone1993 09-07-2007 05:03 PM


Originally Posted by BY U BOY (Post 2263037)
just talked to a mechanic that works for us he said heet will make it worse. He said the best thing is to pump it out or add some marvel mystery oil to keep from washing the cylinder walls.

I think your mechanic should stick to working on stoves...and fridges....

BY U BOY 09-07-2007 05:08 PM


Originally Posted by tomtbone1993 (Post 2263041)
I think your mechanic should stick to working on stoves...and fridges....

why would you say that.

He knows his chit.

bigandy 09-07-2007 05:12 PM

Two words: Lakeview Marina, it is where Marine Max sends there new customers and where they fill up their own boats. It's $2.99 a gallon but maybe because its real gas and not cream of corn!!!

tomtbone1993 09-07-2007 05:12 PM


Originally Posted by BY U BOY (Post 2263045)
why would you say that.

He knows his chit.

Because after Ticfaw....Spik1 came over to club 105 with my engines on a hose runnin like chit. He poored in the Heet and you could hear the engines clear themselves out. You could also see the exhaust clear its self out. It is good chit:cool-smiley-027: :cool-smiley-027:

tomtbone1993 09-07-2007 05:13 PM


Originally Posted by bigandy (Post 2263048)
Two words: Lakeview Marina, it is where Marine Max sends there new customers and where they fill up their own boats. It's $2.99 a gallon but maybe because its real gas and not cream of corn!!!

92 or 93 Octane??? Is this also the same marina that charged me $20.00 vs. $7.00 to launch my boat cause I had an extra axle on my trailor???

bigandy 09-07-2007 05:26 PM

As far as heet goes, and please no one debate this it has been studied. It does not work to help to much ethanol, it helps water in fuel. The only way to help to much ethanol is dilute it with good gas.

The ethanol is a great cleaner, lower octane than gas but the problem it is causing people is older technology was not made to accept it and it makes fuel filters fall apart, gaskets in fuel pumps fail and it absorbs the water that has been in the bottom of your tank for twenty years and also cleans all the sludge and crap from fuel lines and tanks and stops up the needle and seats and venturies in carbs and injectors. it is bad stuff but what can you do. Tbone i would add real octane boost, go get some AV fuel and put it in.

BY U BOY 09-07-2007 05:26 PM


Originally Posted by tomtbone1993 (Post 2263053)
92 or 93 Octane??? Is this also the same marina that charged me $20.00 vs. $7.00 to launch my boat cause I had an extra axle on my trailor???

no they charged you 20 bucks cause its a beak:hitfan: :cool-smiley-027: :cool-smiley-027:

BY U BOY 09-07-2007 05:28 PM


Originally Posted by bigandy (Post 2263064)
As far as heet goes, and please no one debate this it has been studied. It does not work to help to much ethanol, it helps water in fuel. The only way to help to much ethanol is dilute it with good gas.

The ethanol is a great cleaner, lower octane than gas but the problem it is causing people is older technology was not made to accept it and it makes fuel filters fall apart, gaskets in fuel pumps fail and it absorbs the water that has been in the bottom of your tank for twenty years and also cleans all the sludge and crap from fuel lines and tanks and stops up the needle and seats and venturies in carbs and injectors. it is bad stuff but what can you do. Tbone i would add real octane boost, go get some AV fuel and put it in.

Thank you Andy that is the point i was trying to make. Heey is alcohol based there for making the problem with the fuel worse.

BY U BOY 09-07-2007 05:30 PM

I may be taking a rd trip soon.


please do not copy this link i want to keep this one hush hush.

I have to be happy with this one for a while. There is also a cig bullet at LOTO that i like.

tomtbone1993 09-07-2007 05:31 PM


Originally Posted by bigandy (Post 2263064)
As far as heet goes, and please no one debate this it has been studied. It does not work to help to much ethanol, it helps water in fuel. The only way to help to much ethanol is dilute it with good gas.

The ethanol is a great cleaner, lower octane than gas but the problem it is causing people is older technology was not made to accept it and it makes fuel filters fall apart, gaskets in fuel pumps fail and it absorbs the water that has been in the bottom of your tank for twenty years and also cleans all the sludge and crap from fuel lines and tanks and stops up the needle and seats and venturies in carbs and injectors. it is bad stuff but what can you do. Tbone i would add real octane boost, go get some AV fuel and put it in.




Interesting.....so you are sayin the heet did its job in the spring...My tanks should be more than clean...now I need to bring the octane back up??:cool:

tomtbone1993 09-07-2007 05:33 PM


Originally Posted by BY U BOY (Post 2263075)
I may be taking a rd trip soon.what do yall think.
http://adcache.boattraderonline.com/6/2/8/87999628.htm

please do not copy this link i want to keep this one hush hush.

There is a picture of that boat on the FPBC website. The transome is atleast 10 to 15 feet out of the water

spk1 09-07-2007 05:34 PM

I know most mechanics are very much against solutions in a can, and in most cases they are correct, but from a molecular level, I have found heet to be effective, Its contains methanol and methanol is more effective in reducing power loss from certain fuels because of some thing called "latent heat of vaporization" , this is why I believe it has worked so well when mixed with a stagnant ethanol. both gasoline and ethanol has more power per unit volume than methanol, but the latent heat of vaporization in methanol gives it much more efficient burn, and less power loss than that of ethanol.
Im not saying heet is an end all say all cure, but it can get you out of a jam, with out having to drain your tanks in most cases.
As with ethanol methanol is an alcohol, and you will need to keep an eye on most of your rubber coated fuel parts, alcohol dries them out, and in extreme cases it eats them, so when using heet use just enough to get the crap out,, then ur good.

bigandy 09-07-2007 05:34 PM


Originally Posted by tomtbone1993 (Post 2263053)
92 or 93 Octane??? Is this also the same marina that charged me $20.00 vs. $7.00 to launch my boat cause I had an extra axle on my trailor???

87 octane, thats what mercruiser and volvo recommends to run so thats what Lakeview has, as far as the $20 i dont understand that......... its supposed to be $30 but that includes valet launch with a tractor both in the water and out. The reason is most guys with a penis small enough to have a 50 foot trailer also have to have a big crew cab and they dont fit in the parking spots so hence the reason behind the extra money, but if people cant afford to launch at Lakeview i hear April Plaza is only $7........

Trojan-man 09-07-2007 05:36 PM


Originally Posted by tomtbone1993 (Post 2263024)
How do I get the Ethanol level down in my tanks???

I am just goin to put about 3 bottles of stabil in my chit......

BY U BOY 09-07-2007 05:38 PM


Originally Posted by tomtbone1993 (Post 2263079)
There is a picture of that boat on the FPBC website. The transome is atleast 10 to 15 feet out of the water

got a link?

Trojan-man 09-07-2007 05:38 PM


Originally Posted by tomtbone1993 (Post 2263021)
This could also be the same reason JoeW's Genertor won't run for Chit

BIP !!!!! :evilb: :evilb: :evilb:

Trojan-man 09-07-2007 05:39 PM


Originally Posted by spk1 (Post 2263081)
I know most mechanics are very much against solutions in a can, and in most cases they are correct, but from a molecular level, I have found heet to be effective, Its contains methanol and methanol is more effective in reducing power loss from certain fuels because of some thing called "latent heat of vaporization" , this is why I believe it has worked so well when mixed with a stagnant ethanol. both gasoline and ethanol has more power per unit volume than methanol, but the latent heat of vaporization in methanol gives it much more efficient burn, and less power loss than that of ethanol.
Im not saying heet is an end all say all cure, but it can get you out of a jam, with out having to drain your tanks in most cases.
As with ethanol methanol is an alcohol, and you will need to keep an eye on most of your rubber coated fuel parts, alcohol dries them out, and in extreme cases it eats them, so when using heet use just enough to get the crap out,, then ur good.

I am going to start calling you Beaker from the muppets.


memememememe..... !!!

:drink: :drink: :drink:

Rcolter 09-07-2007 05:40 PM


Originally Posted by bigandy (Post 2263082)
87 octane, thats what mercruiser and volvo recommends to run so thats what Lakeview has, as far as the $20 i dont understand that......... its supposed to be $30 but that includes valet launch with a tractor both in the water and out. The reason is most guys with a penis small enough to have a 50 foot trailer also have to have a big crew cab and they dont fit in the parking spots so hence the reason behind the extra money, but if people cant afford to launch at Lakeview i hear April Plaza is only $7........


Great marketing Andy! Everyone hurry and go get your valet launch. Oh for $45 you can get a collector t-shirt

spk1 09-07-2007 05:43 PM

Oh and one more little detail about methanol,,, when a farmer takes a shyt load of corn oil,, soy bean oil,, or any other animal fat,, and puts it in a big vat,, and says hmmm,, I think "IM going to make me some of that there biodiesel stuff all those city boys are talking about",, They dump methanol into it and it starts to fizz and bubble for a second or two,, and viola,, all that goopy shyt he started with becomes a fuel. but anyhow,, I hear,,electric fuel pumps and a few hundred feet of 1/4 rubber hose is pretty reasonable at autozone. :cool:

tomtbone1993 09-07-2007 05:43 PM


Originally Posted by bigandy (Post 2263082)
87 octane, thats what mercruiser and volvo recommends to run so thats what Lakeview has, ........

I am sure volvo and Merlin have the same recommendations on Octane level:cool-smiley-027: :cool-smiley-027:

Were do I sign up to pay $2.99 for 87 Octane:cool-smiley-027:

spk1 09-07-2007 05:44 PM


Originally Posted by bigandy (Post 2263082)
87 octane, thats what mercruiser and volvo recommends to run so thats what Lakeview has, as far as the $20 i dont understand that......... its supposed to be $30 but that includes valet launch with a tractor both in the water and out. The reason is most guys with a penis small enough to have a 50 foot trailer also have to have a big crew cab and they dont fit in the parking spots so hence the reason behind the extra money, but if people cant afford to launch at Lakeview i hear April Plaza is only $7........

For a beer you can call tom and he will let you into april sound,, whats it cost over there again? :p

BY U BOY 09-07-2007 05:44 PM


Originally Posted by tomtbone1993 (Post 2263094)
I am sure volvo and Merlin have the same recommendations on Octane level:cool-smiley-027: :cool-smiley-027:

Were do I sign up to pay $2.99 for 87 Octane:cool-smiley-027:

I wish i could burn 87

bigandy 09-07-2007 05:44 PM


Originally Posted by spk1 (Post 2263081)
I know most mechanics are very much against solutions in a can, and in most cases they are correct, but from a molecular level, I have found heet to be effective, Its contains methanol and methanol is more effective in reducing power loss from certain fuels because of some thing called "latent heat of vaporization" , this is why I believe it has worked so well when mixed with a stagnant ethanol. both gasoline and ethanol has more power per unit volume than methanol, but the latent heat of vaporization in methanol gives it much more efficient burn, and less power loss than that of ethanol.
Im not saying heet is an end all say all cure, but it can get you out of a jam, with out having to drain your tanks in most cases.
As with ethanol methanol is an alcohol, and you will need to keep an eye on most of your rubber coated fuel parts, alcohol dries them out, and in extreme cases it eats them, so when using heet use just enough to get the crap out,, then ur good.

What spick is trying to say is the change of state from liquid to vapour at constant temperature also requires the input of energy, called the latent heat of vaporization. This implies that while a liquid undergoes a change to the vapour state at the normal boiling point, the temperature of the liquid will not rise beyond the temperature of the boiling point.

The latent heat of evaporation is the energy required to overcome the molecular forces of attraction between the particles of a liquid, and bring them to the vapour state, where such attractions are minimal.



The definition of the specific latent heat of vaporization is

'The specific latent heat of vaporization is the amount of heat required to convert unit mass of a liquid into the vapour without a change in temperature."

I hope this clears up any confusion....

BY U BOY 09-07-2007 05:47 PM


Originally Posted by bigandy (Post 2263100)
What spick is trying to say is the change of state from liquid to vapour at constant temperature also requires the input of energy, called the latent heat of vaporization. This implies that while a liquid undergoes a change to the vapour state at the normal boiling point, the temperature of the liquid will not rise beyond the temperature of the boiling point.

The latent heat of evaporation is the energy required to overcome the molecular forces of attraction between the particles of a liquid, and bring them to the vapour state, where such attractions are minimal.



The definition of the specific latent heat of vaporization is

'The specific latent heat of vaporization is the amount of heat required to convert unit mass of a liquid into the vapour without a change in temperature."

I hope this clears up any confusion....

so my flux capacitor should be fine:sport009:

bigandy 09-07-2007 05:49 PM


Originally Posted by BY U BOY (Post 2263105)
so my flux capacitor should be fine:sport009:

if your boat could go 88 miles per hour maybe it would be!!!!

tomtbone1993 09-07-2007 05:54 PM

Good info.....


I will be at Club 105 tonight if anybody wants to show up and hand me beers, and tell me how "you" would do it vs. the way I am doing it:):)

tomtbone1993 09-07-2007 05:55 PM


Originally Posted by BY U BOY (Post 2263086)
got a link?

can not pull it up at work...florida powerboat club...Destin run 5 or 6 years ago

BY U BOY 09-07-2007 05:55 PM

How do you guys think a 29 will handle conroe and the bay??????
or should i take a closer look at the bullet?

tomtbone1993 09-07-2007 05:57 PM


Originally Posted by BY U BOY (Post 2263118)
How do you guys think a 29 will handle conroe and the bay??????
or should i take a closer look at the bullet?

Bullet will handle the water better....but twin 350 should be very reliable:cool: :cool:

BY U BOY 09-07-2007 06:06 PM


Originally Posted by tomtbone1993 (Post 2263121)
Bullet will handle the water better....but twin 350 should be very reliable:cool: :cool:

i also have to think about the weight of the bullet and if i can get it up the launch.:throw:

spk1 09-07-2007 06:12 PM

Ok, I guess the chemical convo should take place at outback,, where google is not readily availible, :evilb:
We will be there at 6:45.


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