Tank, I respect everything you say on here but if you can read that thread I posted and think to yourself that dmax is someone who is anything other than an arrogant asshat than kudos to you for seeing good in anyone.

Post 112 in that thread says it all for me..... He took a print of the thread to the marina and convinced the salesman (who had already told him it had a deposit and turned him away) that FullWhack was going to flake. ****head

Sick Stringer , I am going to respectapfully disagree and have to agree with tank . A deposit with the condition of a survey is just , a conditional offer not a hand shake and not a done deal . An unconditional offer is Just that , a solid contract . The seller was the one who is a fault here as he should have at least gone back to the original purchaser and offered him the ability to go firm on the spot . As tank said the cash offer always trumps a conditional offer.
Just my 2 cents.
RG.

The events even after purchase that also didn't help, told us we were all wrong when we told him he cannot restore it for 10,000.00 and sell t for 60,000 and he claimed it was already sold for that telling us how stupid the veterans were, and he was going to do it in a month or two, many tried to tell him many things and we got nothing but smart ass back saying he will show us.... what did he show? that he can paint a boat, (seems to look good) he had interior done by someone who cannot match up lines, and reinstalled parts.... nothing else was touched and then claims a FULL RESTORE was done on the boat and didn't even paint engines...

As far as him being at LOTO, that's fine, I am sure others here can be there if they wanted to be, that has nothing to do with anything..

I would love to see the numbers on this deal since he was gonna "show us how it's done" cost of boat, materials, and yes HIS TIME in hours, but he said you do not include that when in business, I sure do....write off his whole LOTO trip and everything else, he has it all figured out....that stuff will cost him later....

Need to fix the stern navigation light. Noticed leaving Dog Days Fri night.

Rick understood but it take 2 to make a bay/ to tango faulty rest on both

I get where you guys are coming from. I'm pretty straight forth when it comes to taking a deposit and I make it pretty well known that if someone steps up with asking price, product will be sold with first right of refusal back to the person that our the deposit down. So, I see it a little different. Just the way I view it. And as for the alleged attitude on this thread, I haven't seen it. I've read an over zealous 19 year old that's eyes were bigger than his stomach maybe. I didn't think he was coming off disrespectful but I haven't read every word in depth and I never saw the FB stuff. But I do see that it does seem like a little witch huntish talking about where he gets his money and criticizing every aspect of him. But hey, remind me not to piss you guys off ever! ;) :D

All I was saying about being at loto boating is a that this is a boating website. He's out boating. It amuses me slightly. ;)

Sh1t happens, people make mistakes (especially 19 year olds). Like i said in my original post, if he can learn anything from the experience and from posts on this thread, more power to him.

I have no opinion on his finances but I DO take issue with his complete bull$hit for sale add.
Shows his character or lack thereof.

Well he didn't give my suggestion any thought.

The boat looked good on the lake this weekend. My friend is interested in making an offer. Do you guys think $28,000 is fair?

Only after a survey and you guys looking at it inside and out.

If owner balks over that, walk.

I can't help with the $$$ part.

i find it very amusing that a few of you believe that all it takes is a hand shake, deposit or someones word in the boat buying, selling world LMAO! these days it happens to be one of the hardest things to do (sell a boat) in this economy! if there is someone standing at your door with cash in hand and would like to pay asking price for your boat, i'm pretty sure you're not going to tell him to come back next week because you have a buyer flying in to look at the boat in 5 days that thinks he may want it too. B.S. to any one of you who say you would do that! if you truly want to find some fault in the sale of the boat, then find it on the sellers end for not holding up with his "hand shake" deal, but i personally can't fault him with that either imo. smokin gun, you have had plenty to say about dmax, would you tell a guy with cash in hand he couldn't buy your cig (a beautiful one at that) because you have someone coming to "look" at your boat??? i don't think so, you would grab that cash as fast as you can and run and tell the new owner to enjoy. as far as $28,000 for the boat, that will be up to the man with the cash and phil. a boat is only worth what someone is will to pay and what the seller is willing to let it go for.

Saw him running around LOTO all weekend, think I even have a video.

Ok we'll seeing how I have 5 hrs left on my trip home from loto I will say this. The ad, I typed on my phone after driving 16 hrs through the night as a for what it's worth anyone in town who would want to see it. My phone wouldn't let me add more than a photo. Not sure where your getting me BS'ing people. I'm gunna keep this short because I just typed an essay and hit the wrong button and deleted it all. If you think all I did was paint and interior your just ignorant or you don't like to listen because I've said this many times. This is the run down AGAIN.

Motors were pulled, leak down was given and passed. Pulled the motors to a long block (I think that's the terminology) painted manis. And valve covers. New gaskets from ex manis up. And back. Deleted water circ pump. Added cross over with brand new working therms. New alternators from
Blue monsters. Billet sea pump pullies. All new belts. New seapump impellers and housings. New oil coolers both motors. I had Tim delete my mech fuel pumps and wire up summit racing elec fuel pumps which make for easy starting when cold and never starved for fuel. I made this boat for someone to get on and go. And so far she's done nothing but that, have had to work some kinks out along the way but what boat doesn't. She ran impeccable this week. We put 3 tanks of
Fuel through it through ruff big water and ran it hard and it never skipped a beat. Roughly about 200 or so miles

Also, we pulled the floors to inspect tanks and stringers. Both perfect. We left some things open ended such as the gauges because on a boat like this with a classic flare we didn't want to do Livorsi if someone wanted white orig. we are offering to include a custom dash to any buyer if they want. We wanted to make the boat customizable on a personal level for the buyer. As to where I got my money, let it go. I work. A lot.. Simple as that. My gf walked away from me because I was putting every hour I wasn't working my day jobs into this boat. So keep your opinions to yourself about how you think I had other people build my boat. As so my shop, I'm in the process of filling out LLC papers. I have a commercial property, with an address it's 1177 rt 5 elbridge NY if anyone was wondering. Along with my dealer license if y'all were wondering that too. As to how I bought it, that's the sellers issue. Not mine, even full whack let it go, why don't the rest of you? As to your friends offer of 28,000 that won't even buy you a 28 baja let alone a redone (here won't even call it restored so y'all don't come at me with definition war) let alone a 2 year paint warranty. Instead of asking here who all the people will tell you things about a boat they have never seen. Have him give me a call any time and I can talk him through it. I already have a paint job on a top gun lined up for next week. I'm asking 45k cash talks. Options available. Anyone can contact me at 315-247-3146 about purchasing the boat. There was an overwhelming amount of acceptance of the boat in loto and lots of love towards it. Funny how people out there don't hate a 20 year old for showing up at the slips with a boat like this, and when you say ya I just finished it it also gets their attention. At the street party just about all of my business cards were gone that people took which were tucked into my brag book with build photos and many people interested in buying but no one was ready to buy over the weekend. Made lots of connections with tons of great people.

OCDEDPPL your gun is unreal man it was awesome Meetin ya Thursday at the pbc party and drooling over carpe dime as y'all were walking past me headed to the race Saturday haha hope y'all had a safe trip home!

As to anyone else who still has a problem with me or what I'm trying to do let it go. And here's some
Photos for y'all who were too busy reviving this thread this weekend when y'all could have been boating. Or these might just make y'all more upset who knows. Oh and Tim, I got a tan now buddy! Haha 100 degrees and sun every day this week! I'm hoping back home is cold, I need a break from heat haha we ran every day and I love this boat! A lot of other people did too.

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Most people usually have a contract that goes along with the deposit.... And there is NO PHUCKING WAY im selling my boat to someone with cash if I took a deposit/contract on it.

I have just seen 3-4 people in this thread I will never even consider wasting my time on buying a boat from... I cant believe you would have a buyer lining up airline tickets, delivery & surveyors just to turn around and sell the boat on them.

I had a $40,000 deposit on my Cig, with a 2 month closing while I got everything in order. Had to buy a tow vehicle etc. I'm just glad none of you had my deposit...

I feel exactly the same way ..bought my formula 382 in ny left the guy $50.000 cash dep with a contract took me a month to get back there to pick up the boat as I was waiting on a new trailer..now what would have happened had I showed up with new trailer and the guy sold the boat to the next guy with cash in hand ???? .. why take a dep if your not going to hold the boat I don't understand that part


my cig is currently for sale and if I take a dep on it the boat is under contract till I here otherwise

Agree.... Cash talks but a deposit is cash, I buy mustangs and parts all the time, sucks when I get **** sold from under me after I line up time off work and plan a weekend to go get cars.

Good looking boat Phil. I saw you at Top Gun Marina on Thursday afternoon....I pulled in with my blue & silver TG T/S. I hope you had a good trip. BTW, I have a set of drive & tab switches in my dock locker. I wish I would have known you were looking. I live about 6 houses down from Brett at the lake.

Chad

I'm done busting balls. Just facts 28 Baja Fresh motors, interior gauges, complete perfect cuddy, bravos , k planes, flush out , steering acuater and cable. Turn key runs 63 it's an 89 for 8k and 10 on an 06 surge LED trailer. I hope you get tons of work and sell the boat for full asking. Thought market that's why I part boats

Jawbreaker, loved your boat! And nice! Ya Brett's was an awesome
Place to stay, pretty, central to everything.

And if I'm not mistaken, the marina only took like 1000 or 2000 sight unseen. Again, take that up with the marina how does that effect me. I just bought it. But hey, I've been saying that for 5 months now

What happened to the guy you had it sold to for 60,000 from day1? Not bustin, just asking.... You swore up and down it was a done deal.

Never had it sold for 60.. Had a guy who has been a mowing client for years and a great family friend. Talked to him about buildings for rent and long story short said he was very interested in the boat and was texting me up and down wanting pics and price and when it'll be ready. Told me to tell him as soon as it's done, Once it was done I told him to come check it out and he asked how fast It goes and i told him from the beginning what it
Would run and I guess he forgot and said he wants to
Go faster and guess he just bought a 32 fountain while I was In loto.

Just keep doing what you`re doing man, don`t worry about the rest. Boat looks great, the paint job is unique and you can tell what boat it is from a mile away.
Raw footage but you`re in there at the beginning

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fdkuBiWlqBI&feature=youtu.be Edit ..sorry Phil you`ve been edited out :D

World is full of dreamers .. I can't tell u how many pics I've sent
And how many emails and calls .. That's gonna be a lesson in itself
If you think u have a buyer because they keep calling

Well I can say this much - if I showed up at a poker run there wouldn't be a single person who knew me or my boat, Phil shows up and everyone knows the boat and the man in it. My 02- GENIUS - this thread blew him up you couldn't bye this type of advertisement without breaking the bank !!

Great job Phil - boat looks great !

MMB and Smokin gun . Although I might see your frustration in the way the boat was acquired but it is not the purchasers business ethics or morals that should be debated , I am assuming that he did not buy the boat at gun point and I get the sense that the original deposit was nominal not substantial as in your example and I not sure there was even a contract drawn up, and I trust it was returned to the original purchaser. So if you have an issue with anyone here I think the vendor in this case is at fault not the purchaser. 315 made the vendor an offer , it was up to the vendor to say no thank you I have a deposit in hand . Remember a conditional offer is just that conditional , as I said earlier the vendor should have given the original purchaser the option at least to firm up his offer .
Just my 2 cents.
RG.

You did say that in the beginning on Facebook.

I think the paint is good and tasteful, if you did the interior more simple and old school it would have been better, do cabin also, them do gauges and a nice stereo then you have a 35,000.00 cafe from the market I see and know... If you put 540's in it then 40,000 maybe that's just the market no bashing....

[QUOTE=Rick G;4177416]MMB and Smokin gun . Although I might see your frustration in the way the boat was acquired but it is not the purchasers business ethics or morals that should be debated , I am assuming that he did not buy the boat at gun point and I get the sense that the original deposit was nominal not substantial as in your example and I not sure there was even a contract drawn up, and I trust it was returned to the original purchaser. So if you have an issue with anyone here I think the vendor in this case is at fault not the purchaser. 315 made the vendor an offer , it was up to the vendor to say no thank you I have a deposit in hand . Remember a conditional offer is just that conditional , as I said earlier the vendor should have given the original purchaser the option at least to firm up his offer .
Just my 2 cents.
RG.[/QUOTE

I have no frustration with it at all .. Go back and read my post
I was replying to what someone else said about taking a dep
I could care less how he acquired the boat

Why no 16:9 brah???

Oh, and Ghost Rider requesting fly by! :D

[QUOTE=smokin' gun;4177455]I assume you were referring to my post about a deposit. I referred to the deposit the same way Rick did above just in a different manner. Conditional offer, small deposit to show your serious? That's just what it was. No contract, no large sum down from the gist I get. It's a contingent thing. Whenever I'm selling anything (and I slang a lot of stuff ) - boats, cars, parts, watches, art whatever - I get people all the time that want to put a deposit down. 90% of the time I just tell them to come back when they have al the cash. The other 10% when someone is pushy about it, I'm pretty clear that if someone shows up with the asking price...it's for sale until it's paid for and gone. As a seller of this boat, I would have contacted the person that gave me the deposit and advised them I'm about to sell it, matter of fact I just did that with a set of rims I sold, it's good business but hey man, it's business.

[QUOTE=thisistank;4177639]
Nope not you either ..

I guess being a Realtor that buys and sells houses for a living. I am used to contracts with settlement dates. To each his own, sorry I got into D-Max's thread.

Would like to see some more pics of the boat!!

still sticking to my original evaluation of the boat...anything above 40k is la la land. reality is the market isn't there for Cafe's. everyone wants a top gun and even then nice moderately priced ones are not selling. hope you prove me wrong. GLWS!!

friend just bought a turn key Gun with 540's, SSM's, trailer an all for 40K. Its all original and shows extremely well, needs nothing really. Properly priced boats are out there if ya look around a bit.

Good luck with the sale . . . . looks good.
get more pics up.

[QUOTE=smokin' gun;4177735]Ok good because I want to buy your boat! ;)

Seriously. If it was a year from now I'd be calling.

As I've said in the past with SKRAMERS boat not selling in the low 40's that puts this one as a "20's" boat.

is that the white one with red stripe?? my buddy had a agreement with the seller to come up from florida and buy that boat. he was booking his airfare and got a call that the boat is gonna be sold to the sellers buddy and got a sorry. couple days later he gets a call and says its for sale again. poor guy couldnt get airfare quick enough i guess

Too bad he couldn't put a deposit on it and the guy actually held it....