My friend that rebuilt the trailer, same guy that did the HP 500 motors for me, cautioned me about pumping too much grease into the bearings for that reason. Said that the chit has to go somewhere, and often it will blow the seals out, too much is as bad as not enough. He packed the bearings before install, a little when all together, and said don't get carried away. I plan to follow his advice, he is a sharp guy and I trust his opinion.

Pete,

Don't feel bad ..... the freak'in saga continues with my trailer.

The first trip to Sodus Bay last Saturday I noticed all 6 tires are chopped .... not bad for a 2008 trailer with only approx 150 miles on it.

Called the manufacture and I have 7 brand new tires arriving Monday.
What a pain in the azz.
Now, I have to re-mount the new tires. You don't just throw these boat and trailers up in the air on a lift and zip the wheels off.

Oh well it could of been worse .... it could of been a $1000.00 bill to replace them out of my pocket I suppose.

Jeff

If you guys get a chance go to the GENERAL DISCUSSION board and look up MY WAY's new pictures ......

What a freak'in weapon .....

Jeff

By the way the "Tough Guy Jap Truck" will prevail with regards to taking on any of those little Chevys and Fords .....

Let's Git'r'Done !!!!


LOL ..... LOL .......

:D:D:D:D:D

Jeff

Got to give a plug for Brett @ BBLADES here .....

After trying some different ideas from Brett .... his first thought was to try a pair of Mercury Revolution 4 props 23 pitch. They a hybird between a "round ear" prop and a "cleaver".
With my boat which has no steps on the hull and usually sits heavy in the azz end .... these props lifted the boat and have gave me an additional 6-7 mph on my GPS in the mid range. Which was exactly what I was looking for.
I lost about 100-150 rpm on the top end and about 1 - 1.5 mph at WOT. (Pete you might be able to get me now :p)

Brett really knows his chitt .....

Jeff

Yes he does, have you talked to him about keeping the mid range and getting you back the top number?

I bought the Precision 5 blades I have been testing, wasn't going to let these get away. And he has some bigger Precisions comming to start a lab program for me. This is going to be interesting. Brett sounded real confident that he can lab some larger props and get my top end up even more. These are running now at a 7% slip factor, which is real uncommon for a vee bottom. If Brett can succeed here, and I could pull a few more horses out of the Whipple re-map on the computer, I could maybe be nearing the century mark. :D Jake at HBW had an idea to piggy back the hot rod computer with the regular one, then it becomes a case of plug and play. He said he does that on his high-perf sleds and it works great. 87 octane and the stock puter every day, a shot of 93 and move the plug for those days when folks just won't leave you alone. :evilb:

You might want to have someone check the axle alingment if you are chewing up tires that quick. That just ain't right.

Did I just read that right, You have a friend?

NO!

I have never heard such a thing as "too much grease" ruining the inner seal in an
E-Z Lube spindle hub...
which you certianly should have on that (new) trailer Peter. Pretty much the standard in the industry now on any axle 3K and over. They are so easy-to-own I spec'd EZ-lube on the little 2200 Dexter I put under my snow trailer...

keep in mind also (for future reference) that there are different quality seal material/wire and wire dia. seals available depending on vendor (much like the Chinese vs. Timken bearings/races)
the price difference is negligable, knowing the difference is not!

Now with a spring loaded, (in essence, "sealed") "Bearing Buddy" installation yes, there is potential for pushing the rear seal rubber lip out, that is why you stop when the disc/cup of a Bearing Buddy is all the way out against the cap. The sealed system is fully "loaded" or pressurized with a compressed coil spring loaded disc against the grease that may well be stronger than your (sometimes aged) back seals.

again, I believe we're talking E-Z Lube spindles here...
the excess is simply pushed/dumped "forward" (out) through and past the outer bearing and out into the cap.
this is not a "sealed" or "pressurized" system in any way. if the weak pressure of a hand grease gun will push grease past that rear seal (instead of through the inner bearing/fill the void/ and out through the outer bearing) in an "open" application such as this, well...
then...
obviously those seals are bad! and it wasn't a grease gun that did them in!

This in essence is exactly how to know your inner seals are holding!
I had to replace one after a hanging drum brake super-heated and distorted it. How did I know it was shot? No grease return...get it ??

I routinely completely "change" mine on all six bearing sets simply by pumping until all the old is pushed out by the new and new grease excess shows a full dia feed out with no "voids". This is how you know/presume there are no "voids" in the bearings!!

This method will effectively "change" 90% the grease in an E-Z lube spindle/hub/bearings with no ill effects.

an air grease gun may well deliver more pulses/volume over short time than can pass through the orifices in the spindle and, more importantly, through the smaller outer bearing (out). But I doubt it, as the orifice in the spindle will always dictate the rate of delivery to the bearing and therefore against the seal.

I have owned several of both set-ups, I have R & R'd them, I know how they work, and I know how to maintain them.
The bearing and seal performance and lack of any failures over many trailers says it all.

but by all means, believe who you want, including the corner mechanic who may or may not even own a trailer.

easily done with a tape-measure and string...

Thankyou for taking the time to explain that...

He's a machinist, a mechanic, owned his own machine and mechanical shop for some 27 years. Is considered to be one of, if not the best engine guy in this area for the last 27 some odd years. Hauled a race car for years as well as horse trailers all over he!!s half acres. Not saying you are wrong, just put a lot of faith in his opinions.

The trailer is an '06, transfered to me on the MSO, kinda makes it "close" to new. The value placed on it in the deal was 4500.00, take it or leave it, real simple deal. Bill would have built me a new one at dealer cost, but why spend the extra money? I trailer soooooooooooooooo much.

Randy, I agree with everything you explained and I'll add one more thing - Bearing Buddy type greasers end up overfilling the hub. I'm not talking overfilling in terms of pushing past the rear seal, I'm just talking too much grease period. As Pete's guy said, overgreasing is as bad as insuficient greasing. Excessive heat builds and breaks the grease down.

The spindle type grease setup is definitely a slick deal. You CANNOT overgrease it. As you said, it is intended to allow grease replacement just by pumping it through. The literature does still recommend periodic disassembly and manual repacking though.

So Pete, does your trailer have the spindle type grease design?

I'll be getting more intimate with mine this summer as I'm converting to EOH 13" Kodiak discs on all 3 axles, BrakeRite SD, the whole enchalada...
already have 8 new tires in stock here at the ranch...
know just what I want for toolboxes...

Yes it does, and what my "GUY" saying is that a grease gun can't take the place of checking chit out and repacking, the interval depending on use. The problem with this trailer was the salt water. Salt water does chit that fresh water couldn't do in years of exposure. Every single bearing was pitted and ready to fail. When talking to Bill at Performance about this he told me that the salt corrosion will eat it's way under the seals and get into the grease and bearings unless you religiously flush and wash down after every dunking. The grease in the thing was rust brown and full of water. Als opinion (my guy) was that the damage was already done before I ever left Massachusetts with the F'n thing, and that a 55 gal. drum of grease would not have saved the bearings. It's all rebuilt now, goes down the road fine, bearings stay cool, at least at less than 90 mph, all is good.

Always been a believer that your boat should go faster on the water than on the F'n trailer. 50 - 55 down the road works fine for me, I can wait for the 90+ numbers. :D

the little gassers' probably draggin' it's balls to make that...

well, maybe not, considering the size of the boat and all. :evilb:

Not really it works just fine, and I actually do drive the truck every day, afterall that is why I bought it.

If you would like to compare on the water I'd be glad to oblige. :p

So does this mean I can drop the MYCO off for service next week?

While you're tryin' to spin that piece of crap into its 5000rpm HP and Torque range, the Duramax will be draggin' you around in circles......

you are a true diesel-head nowadays aren't you? :D

I knew you'd fall in love...:musik010:

First of all you would still have to catch me with that rattle'in black smoke stink'in thing you Duramax lovers call powerful.

Second, unless there are 2 of you hooked up to the back of my Tundra ... I wouldn't be so sure on who going to be draggin' who around.

Do you guys who own those little Chevys with the Duramax have bumper stickers that say " When I grow up I want to be a Freightliner"?

Now whose your daddy ..... :evilb:

LOL ..... LOL ......

Jeff

That's some good chit right there!!!!

So, 5PM, that avatar of yours,,,,,,,,,,,, you advertising for Ragged or wishfully hoping people think that's your speedo???

:evilb:

My thoughts at first were WTF :eek: I don't remember saying any of this chit! Damn wannabes, they are all over here. 5PMs boat couldn't go that fast behind Rips smoke puker with me driving it. He could bearly break 90 with my "little" Fountain.

Like I said, be careful what you ask for here. You could end up with your bumper in your box, along with other assorted parts. :D

Look at what happened to one of your Flockers recently.

Planing some long haul trailering this season dude? Sounds like a lot of wasted money to go the 20 some odd miles to the Bay and back once per year.

And just how does one "get intimate with a trailer" ??? Do we get tri-pod shots of that one???

an indicated 97 actually...

damn speed limiter!

we actually trailered around half of last season.
pull the whole rig in the drive-thru building at the end of the day or days out overnighting
boat stays clean
she chamois while I gather and cover
saves fuel when the Lake is the place to be
and is an easy program when you have a woman who's good with the equipment. :D

after a couple quick lessons she was maneuvering the truck/trailer around and down/up the ramp like a pro.

One of those days last year at the Henderson ramp. Probably the prettiest, roomiest, easy to use launch facilty in NNY.
I know quite a few people down there
everyone is very friendly and accomodating
light boat traffic
many places to get out of the wind/rough when it is
lots of protected anchorages for overnighting on the hook.

Pleeze, do tell

another day down there chillin' in the sand just east of Campbell's Point...

how's this for an overnighting (on the hook) sunset?

Sunrise at the same place (Six Town Point)

Time to bathe off the back of the boat and take an early morning run to the WestView in Henderson or TinPan in Sackets for coffee and breakfast.
Or maybe she wants a real shower?
No problem, run over to Long Point SP
lotsa dockage in a totally protected leeward bay and clean hot showerhouse.
Been there many times, but overnighted on those docks last year too.
Friendly campers inviting you to sit by thier fire.
Good quiet, laid-back times.

Big Sandy is not too far

walking around on Main Duck is pretty cool...

5P,

I see you lurking here, I'll call you later!


Hi Ho, Hi Ho, it's off to kinda work I go. :D

Must have been one of those once only, one afternoon, never repeated things. Hook up your boat and we can see if it can still do it. :p

Now Petie, be nice. They're out there trying to make a go of it. Stuff breaks and that sucks.

Better luck next time Dave, maybe the "broken part gremlins" will give you a break.:cool-smiley-011:

All I can say is that if my Fountain broke I'd never hear the end of it, and you know that is the gospel truth. Ball bustin' is what Ball bustin' is, all in good fun here. ;)

I was just thinking that the Senator might be ahead of the game had he stayed with the original race boat.

This one! :D

Hey Pete,

Is that you "Boy Wonder" aka "Robin" sitting beside "Batman" aka "Axa" ?
It looks like you getting driving lessons again.
The "Bat Boat" was made by Formula and even then they were ahead of there so called competition.

Na Na Na Na Batman !!!!!!!

POW !@#$% , BANG !#$%^& , CRASH !*@$%^&

Awe this chit never gets old .....

LOL ..... LOL ......

Jeff

Actually, it's a Glastron.:p