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Running M-1 in your drives Vandy?

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Our boat is for sale. We used to. Not in the 6's. In the Bravo's we did. We normally don't have a boat for more than a season and we don't put more than 25 hours on them.

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Same with me but my season lasts a lifetime. :D

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Come on guys...we need 30,000 hits by 2007....any oil questions? :D

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I'll help out, anybody running Valvoline 20-50 Racing? Not the VR1, it;s hard to find, suppose to have more zinc than others.

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Top drawer stuff.

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Hydro,

It would be really great if you would edit the first post in this thread, and in addition to the oil filter cross reference also add the top 3-5 engine oil recommendations, the top 3-5 gear oils, and the top 3-5 filters. It would be much easier to find than reading the entire thread, which has some terrific info BTW. Just a thought....

Barry

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I only have a couple minutes to do this today so I will do it quick and dirty....these are products OSO members have used and have enjoyed much success with.

Some go with all Mercury products; others with M-1 or Amsoil and some mix and match.

My personal picks are in bold.


Synthetic oil:
-Amsoil Racing Severe Service 20W-50
-Mobil-1 15W-50 EP
-Mobil-1 20W-50 V-Twin
-Royal Purple 20W-50
-Redline 20W-50

Conventional oil:
-Mercury 25W-40
-Kendall 20W-50
-Castrol 20W-50
-Valvoline Racing 20W-50
-Kendall/Castrol Straight 40's

Gear Lube:
-Mercury HP
-Amsoil Severe Gear
-Royal Purple 75W-90
-Mobil-1 75W-90
-Redline Shockproof

Oil Filters:
-Fram HP Racing
-Wix Racing
-Mercury Marine HP
-Baldwin
-Mobil-1
-K&N
-Amsoil

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Awesome! Thanks!

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I am getting my investments in order...I am looking at a 35' Formula in 2007.. :D

I take it you like your 336?

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DiamondPerformance, I am runnning the Valvoline NSL #VV851 which is a 6 qt case. Throw in one qt of the GM Oil Supplement per 14 qts.

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ok how about additives lucas oil amsoil etc,,,,what are your thoughts..........My engine tuner whants the lucas put in my fresh motor

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Lucas increases "film strength" and "cushioning" properties of oil. Less metal to metal contact.

Why do some builders use this?

It works in getting oil to "stick" to moving parts better and cushion and perhaps smooth out a break-in. This would possibly reduce or post-pone the chance of "warranty related" problems. The builder is covering his azz.

Some builders will only warranty an engine if you use Redline oil as it has the highest film strength around and a ton of ZDDP and is a very "slick" anti-wear additive rich oil.

Either way it is not a bad thing to do in my opinion.

A "low/slow" break-in means more longevity. I am not one to go with a conventional oil that makes the "engine work". Why?

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Looking for oil for 2 stroke 2001 Sea Doo GTX's. My dad bought the kids some Sea Doos. No I really didn't want them, but I've got them. Apparently these specify the use of Bombardier Synthetic Oil. I went to Lake Cumberland Marine and bought a gallon for $42. I would like to use a good or superior substitute but pay less. Is there another option or can I buy in bulk?

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The Bombardier Product is an excellent product.

Amsoil Interceptor 2-cycle Synthetic Oil is as good or better. A case of 4 gallons goes for $120.00 plus shipping of about
$ 20.00. ($35/gal vs. $42/gal). I would consider it.

http://www.amsoil.com/storefront/ait.aspx

The good stuff pretty much all is priced around $9-10/qt. It will make your engine live a lot longer with faster starts and less fouling which helps prevent being stranded out in the middle of no where.

You are paying for peace of mind and as leisure time has a high price tag this stuff gets you to haveing fun faster and longer. A good spend. :p

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...............if the compounder/blended is a honest and builds a quality product, the only additive you need is an assembly lube when the engine is built. Most aftermarket additives contain zinc to increase the anti-wear, and a tackifier/viscosity improver to help restore the engines viscosity. Buy quality product from the start and you do not need additives. Ken

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Don't try to skimp
on the quality of the 2-cycle oil. One of the biggest reasons Sea Doo is asking for a synthetic is you probally have powervalves in your engine. (They are a chamber on the exhaust side of the motor before the exhaust pipe. they have a red adjustment screw in the middle and they are held together with a bail.) If you do not use a clean burning synthetic oil the valves will stick and your performance will suffer. Check with some snowmobile sites as they really have powervalve issues with the wrong type of oil. Ken

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I LOVE the 336! It is the perfect boat for where we are (LOTO), and even though it's 10 years old now it still looks current. The 353 is a stepped hull (mine isn't), and they get great reviews but I haven't ridden in/driven one. PM me if you want more info...

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Ken is right..don't skimp//the Amsoil syn 2-cycle is not about skimping..it is the same but cheaper.

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Cool graphics@! :D

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What is the best 10W30 oil.

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Would the newer viscosity Mobil 1 75-140 gear oil be a better choice for high horsepower bravo drive protection than the original viscosity 75-90? Anybody used this oil or have any thoughts?

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Yes, the only draw back may be a slight horsepower loss due to the heavier viscosity. I have used nothing but a full synthetic 75w-140 GL-5 in my lower units, both Alphas and Bravos for the past 10 years with no problems. I personally perfer a heavier viscosity oil because viscosity is your first line of defense against wear. Additives like zinc and EP additives are reserve boundry lubricants, they only work when the oil film has been compromised.
You will be doing just fine using a 75w-140 gear lube in your lower unit.

Happy Holidays, Ken

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Any idea how the Hp loss from Redline Shock Proof (Heavy) Gear Lube would compare with the 75w-140?

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I doubt you will notice the difference in top speed. Ken

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Ken, Thanks for the feedback on using 75-140. Is the 75-140 a higher viscosity than the Merc Hp green stuff? I'm using the Merc now and am eating lower gears. I'm looking to change to something heavier in viscosity.

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I am sorry, I have never used the merc stuff and they don't put the viscosity on the label. Lf you are eating gears the only thing a heavier lube will do is prolong the eating of the gears. You have a lower unit problem. Ken

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Still interested in suggestions. For general use in Yamaha Wave Runners.

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Rage, you can use any high quality motorcycle oil in your Waverunner. All the benifits that your boat engine receeives from quality oil , your watercraft engine will receive. If this was mine I would use Spectro 4 10w40 motorcycle engine oil. It is a straight petroleum with the uptreat in anti-wear chemistry. change it once a year.

Ken

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Thanks Ken. So the key is using a "motorcycle oil" for best quality oil. Yamaha markets a 10W30 "Yamalude" oil for their PWC units. It looks rather clearer than lets say Penzoil 10W30. Anything known about this Yamalude oil? Just looking for the best oil to use to keep them a long time. Oil is cheap wave runners are not.

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Mobil-1 EP 10W-30

Amsoil Series 2000 0W-30

Royal Purple 10W-30

Redline 10W-30


The best of the best...note Amsoil replaced the Series 2000 10W-30 with 0W-30...about the same performance.

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As a rule of thumb most of the time a motorcycle specfic product will have a higher additive package than a conventional automotive product. As I have stated on past posts I have been a fan of Spectro products for 20+ years. Spectro has been blending motorcycle spefic oils for 40+ years, long before any of the OEM's or any of the major oil companies. You can't go wrong with a Spectro product.
As far as the lack of color, it could be from the basestock or the additive pack. Don't pick an oil based on color, they can add any color they want when they blend. The only time you should be concerned with color is when you drain the oil. It should come out black. If is not black, the additives are not doing their job,ie,holding the contaminates in suspension so they will drain out with the oil.
A quick check on the color of oil............stick your finger in the waste oil, if after a second you can "see through" the oil, it's not dirty it has a lot more life in it. You changed too soon.
Diesel oil is another issue as far as color. I gets real black in short order. Soot form combustion in suspension.
Ken

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75W-90 flows better and would be my personal choice.

I saw a few drives that were raced using 75W-90 Royal Purple...they looked outstanding..so I am leaning towards RP for drives.

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Shockproof Heavy has a foaming tendency but many like it and use it anyways..fyi

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10W-30 Mobil-1 EP

or

Amsoil
SAE 10W-30 Formula 4-Stroke®
Marine Synthetic Motor Oil (WCT)


http://www.amsoil.com/StoreFront/wct.aspx


I would mosty likely lean towards the Amsoil product as it is made specifically for your application as is shown to outperform Yamahalube.

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What year Wave Runner? My 2003 FX-140 called for 10W30 only (I ran Mobil 1 with great results) but the newer ones list a range of viscosities depending on operating environment temperatures. We are running Mobil 1 15W50 in a friend's newer Wave Runner.

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Yamaha said that either 10W-30 or 10W-40 synthetic oil is recommended.

In finding this to be the case I would use the 10W-40 Amsoil Marine 4 stroke product or 15W-50 M-1 unless the water temps are below 50*F.

http://www.amsoil.com/StoreFront/wcf.aspx

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Happy Holidays from the self appointed guru of oil. :D

Peace, love and prosperity to all. I am off to visit relatives..... see ya in 2007.

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I don't beleive that Yamaha makes a synthetic 10w30 product. Ken

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I think you are right.

Honda has a really good 10W-40 synthetic 4-cycle oil...I like it a lot!!

http://www.parkeryamaha.com/index.as...D&ProdID=27047